diff --git a/source/build/include/baselayer.h b/source/build/include/baselayer.h
index 7d4ed9166..36c406492 100644
--- a/source/build/include/baselayer.h
+++ b/source/build/include/baselayer.h
@@ -168,14 +168,6 @@ struct GameStats
 	int timesecnd;
 };
 
-enum ETextOrientation
-{
-	TOR_Default,
-	TOR_Left,
-	TOR_Center,
-	TOR_Right
-};
-
 struct GameInterface
 {
 	virtual ~GameInterface() {}
@@ -187,7 +179,7 @@ struct GameInterface
 	virtual bool mouseInactiveConditional(bool condition) { return condition; }
 	virtual FString statFPS() { return "FPS display not available"; }
 	virtual GameStats getStats() { return {}; }
-	virtual void DrawNativeMenuText(int fontnum, int state, int xpos, int ypos, float fontscale, const char* text, int orientation = TOR_Default) {}
+	virtual void DrawNativeMenuText(int fontnum, int state, int xpos, int ypos, float fontscale, const char* text, int flags) {}
 	virtual void MainMenuOpened() {}
 	virtual void MenuOpened() {}
 	virtual void MenuSelectSound() {}
diff --git a/source/common/menu/listmenu.cpp b/source/common/menu/listmenu.cpp
index 311d0e15d..df1cfa725 100644
--- a/source/common/menu/listmenu.cpp
+++ b/source/common/menu/listmenu.cpp
@@ -64,7 +64,7 @@ void DListMenu::Init(DMenu *parent, FListMenuDescriptor *desc)
 {
 	mParentMenu = parent;
 	mDesc = desc;
-	if (mDesc->mScriptId) scriptID = mDesc->mScriptId;
+	if (mDesc->mScriptId >= 0) scriptID = mDesc->mScriptId;
 #if 0
 	if (desc->mCenter)
 	{
@@ -473,7 +473,7 @@ bool FListMenuItemSelectable::CheckCoordinate(int x, int y)
 
 bool FListMenuItemSelectable::Selectable()
 {
-	return mEnabled;
+	return mEnabled && !mHidden;
 }
 
 bool FListMenuItemSelectable::Activate()
@@ -578,8 +578,8 @@ void FListMenuItemNativeText::Drawer(DListMenu* menu, const vec2_t& origin, bool
 	if (mText.Len() && !mHidden)
 	{
 		if (*text == '$') text = GStrings(text + 1);
-		int direction = menu->Descriptor()->mCenter == 0 ? TOR_Center : menu->Descriptor()->mCenter < 0 ? TOR_Right : TOR_Left;
-		gi->DrawNativeMenuText(mFontnum, selected ? NIT_SelectedState : mEnabled? NIT_ActiveState : NIT_InactiveState, (mXpos << 16) + origin.x, (mYpos << 16) + origin.y, 1.f, text, direction);
+		auto state = selected ? NIT_SelectedState : mEnabled ? NIT_ActiveState : NIT_InactiveState;
+		gi->DrawNativeMenuText(mFontnum, state, (mXpos << 16) + origin.x, (mYpos << 16) + origin.y, 1.f, text, menu->Descriptor()->mFlags);
 	}
 } 
 
diff --git a/source/common/menu/menu.h b/source/common/menu/menu.h
index b3cf00b6b..5214e2900 100644
--- a/source/common/menu/menu.h
+++ b/source/common/menu/menu.h
@@ -121,6 +121,12 @@ struct FMenuDescriptor
 class FListMenuItem;
 class FOptionMenuItem;
 
+enum ListMenuFlags
+{
+	LMF_Centered = 1,
+	LMF_DontSpace = 2
+};
+
 struct FListMenuDescriptor : public FMenuDescriptor
 {
 	TDeletingArray<FListMenuItem *> mItems;
@@ -142,7 +148,8 @@ struct FListMenuDescriptor : public FMenuDescriptor
 	EColorRange mFontColor;
 	EColorRange mFontColor2;
 	FMenuDescriptor *mRedirect;	// used to redirect overlong skill and episode menus to option menu based alternatives
-	int mCenter;
+	int mFlags;
+	int mSpacing;
 
 	FListMenuDescriptor()
 	{
@@ -163,11 +170,13 @@ struct FListMenuDescriptor : public FMenuDescriptor
 		mFont = NULL;
 		mFontColor = CR_UNTRANSLATED;
 		mFontColor2 = CR_UNTRANSLATED;
-		mScriptId = 0;
+		mScriptId = -1;
 		mSecondaryId = 0;
 		mNativeFontNum = NIT_BigFont;
 		mNativePalNum = NIT_ActiveColor;
 		mNativeFontScale = 1.f;
+		mFlags = 0;
+		mSpacing = 0;
 	}
 };
 
diff --git a/source/common/menu/menudef.cpp b/source/common/menu/menudef.cpp
index 97b0dba14..33b188b07 100644
--- a/source/common/menu/menudef.cpp
+++ b/source/common/menu/menudef.cpp
@@ -270,16 +270,16 @@ static void ParseListMenuBody(FScanner &sc, FListMenuDescriptor *desc)
 			{
 				sc.MustGetNumber();
 				desc->mYbotton = sc.Number;
-				if (sc.CheckString(","))
-				{
-					sc.MustGetNumber();
-					desc->mCenter = sc.Number;
-				}
 			}
 		}
 		else if (sc.Compare("Centermenu"))
 		{
-			desc->mCenter = 0;
+			desc->mFlags |= LMF_Centered;
+		}
+		else if (sc.Compare("Fixedspacing"))
+		{
+			sc.MustGetNumber();
+			desc->mSpacing = sc.Number;
 		}
 		else if (sc.Compare("MouseWindow"))
 		{
@@ -518,7 +518,6 @@ static void ParseListMenu(FScanner &sc)
 	desc->mRedirect = NULL;
 	desc->mWLeft = 0;
 	desc->mWRight = 0;
-	desc->mCenter = 0;
 
 	ParseListMenuBody(sc, desc);
 	bool scratch = ReplaceMenu(sc, desc);
diff --git a/source/duke3d/src/d_menu.cpp b/source/duke3d/src/d_menu.cpp
index f5e0d332b..fb94c809b 100644
--- a/source/duke3d/src/d_menu.cpp
+++ b/source/duke3d/src/d_menu.cpp
@@ -468,7 +468,7 @@ static int Menu_GetFontHeight(int fontnum)
 	return font.get_yline();
 }
 
-void GameInterface::DrawNativeMenuText(int fontnum, int state, int xpos, int ypos, float fontscale, const char* text, int orientation)
+void GameInterface::DrawNativeMenuText(int fontnum, int state, int xpos, int ypos, float fontscale, const char* text, int flags)
 {
 	int ydim_upper = 0;
 	int ydim_lower = ydim - 1;
@@ -480,7 +480,7 @@ void GameInterface::DrawNativeMenuText(int fontnum, int state, int xpos, int ypo
 		status |= MT_Selected;
 	if (state == NIT_InactiveState)
 		status |= MT_Disabled;
-	if (orientation == TOR_Center)
+	if (flags & LMF_Centered)
 		status |= MT_XCenter;
 
 	bool const dodraw = true;
@@ -494,9 +494,6 @@ void GameInterface::DrawNativeMenuText(int fontnum, int state, int xpos, int ypo
 	if (dodraw)
 		textsize = Menu_Text(x, y_internal, &font, text, status, ydim_upper, ydim_lower);
 
-	if (orientation == TOR_Right)
-		status |= MT_XRight;
-
 	if (dodraw && (status & MT_Selected) && state != 1)
 	{
 		if (status & MT_XCenter)
@@ -564,8 +561,9 @@ protected:
 			}
 			totalheight += height;
 		}
+		if (mDesc->mSpacing <= 0) calculatedentryspacing = std::max(0, (y_lower - y_upper - totalheight) / (numvalidentries > 1 ? numvalidentries - 1 : 1));
+		if (calculatedentryspacing <= 0) calculatedentryspacing = mDesc->mSpacing;
 
-		calculatedentryspacing = std::max(0, (y_lower - y_upper - totalheight) / (numvalidentries > 1 ? numvalidentries - 1 : 1));
 
 		// totalHeight calculating pass
 		int totalHeight;
diff --git a/source/duke3d/src/duke3d.h b/source/duke3d/src/duke3d.h
index 36ebf07dd..4d6405e7f 100644
--- a/source/duke3d/src/duke3d.h
+++ b/source/duke3d/src/duke3d.h
@@ -156,7 +156,7 @@ struct GameInterface : ::GameInterface
 	GameStats getStats() override;
 	// Access to the front end specific menu code. Use is restricted to the main menu, the ingame menu and the skill/episode selection.
 	// Everything else is either custom screens or will use the generic option menu style.
-	void DrawNativeMenuText(int fontnum, int state, int xpos, int ypos, float fontscale, const char* text, int orientation = TOR_Default) override;
+	void DrawNativeMenuText(int fontnum, int state, int xpos, int ypos, float fontscale, const char* text, int orientation) override;
 	void MenuOpened() override;
 	void MenuSelectSound() override;
 	void MenuChooseSound() override;
diff --git a/source/duke3d/src/menus.cpp b/source/duke3d/src/menus.cpp
index d9d2b1c4b..970eed8c7 100644
--- a/source/duke3d/src/menus.cpp
+++ b/source/duke3d/src/menus.cpp
@@ -1760,9 +1760,6 @@ void Menu_Init(void)
         // hack; should swap out pointers
         MF_Minifont = MF_Bluefont;
 
-        MMF_Top_Main.pos.x = 40<<16;
-        MMF_Top_Main.pos.y = 130<<16;
-        MMF_Top_Main.bottomcutoff = 190<<16;
         M_OPTIONS.format = &MMF_Top_Main;
 
         MEF_MainMenu.width = MEF_OptionsMenu.width = -(160<<16);
diff --git a/wadsrc/static/demolition/menudef.txt b/wadsrc/static/demolition/menudef.txt
index 4d566fa67..529bd04a9 100644
--- a/wadsrc/static/demolition/menudef.txt
+++ b/wadsrc/static/demolition/menudef.txt
@@ -6,16 +6,17 @@
 
 LISTMENU "MainMenu"
 {
-	ScriptId 1
+	ScriptId 0
 	ifgame(Duke, Nam, WW2GI, Fury)
 	{
 		ifgame(fury)
 		{
-			position 40, 130, 60, -160
+			position 40, 130, 60
+			fixedspacing 2
 		}
 		else
 		{
-			position 160, 55, 115, 0
+			position 160, 55, 115
 			centermenu
 		}
 		linespacing 15
@@ -39,7 +40,7 @@ LISTMENU "MainMenu"
 	{
 		linespacing 15
 		NativeTextItem "$MNU_NEWGAME", "n", "PlayerclassMenu"
-		//NativeTextItem "$MNU_MULTIPLAYER", "m", "MultiMenu" // In EDuke this replaces "New Game" when in networking mode. Kept here as a reminder (I'm not going to support EDuke's C/S implementation)
+		//NativeTextItem "$MNU_NEWGAME", "m", "MultiMenu" // In EDuke this replaces "New Game" when in networking mode. Kept here as a reminder (I'm not going to support EDuke's C/S implementation)
 		NativeTextItem "$MNU_LOADGAME", "l", "LoadGameMenu"
 		NativeTextItem "$MNU_OPTIONS", "o", "OptionsMenu"
 		NativeTextItem "$MNU_HELP", "h", "HelpMenu"
@@ -76,11 +77,12 @@ LISTMENU "IngameMenu"
 	{
 		ifgame(fury)
 		{
-			position 40, 130, 60, -160
+			position 40, 130, 60
+			fixedspacing 2
 		}
 		else
 		{
-			position 160, 55, 115, 0
+			position 160, 55, 115
 			centermenu
 		}
 		linespacing 15