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belief, Knghtbrd has in fact been known to be wrong sometimes. He belief, Knghtbrd has in fact been known to be wrong sometimes. He
isn't afraid to admit it either (most of the time..) isn't afraid to admit it either (most of the time..)
<H2>How are things going? Your SotC update is late again.</H2> <H2>The fastest SotC update ever!</H2>
<P>Yeah yeah, I know. Okay, first the quick news: Palisade is <P>This update is so close to the last one posted a mere six hours
back. The website is still under construction but it got a lot ago that most of you reading it never even saw the last one. Don't
easier to construct since now it updates immediately after a CVS worry, anything important is being retained in this update.
commit. With Palisade back, it seems that everyone who planned to
vote on the logos has now done so and we should hopefully have a
result soon.
<P>I promised I would keep the crap not related to the technical <P>Palisade is among the living believe it or not and we finally
aspects of the project short and at the top where they were easy to have his votes for the logo contest. He's pretty much it so the
skip, but a very important issue needs to be discussed whether it good news is that we should very soon have a new logo!
fits the usual content of this page or not. Here it is:
<H2>Will QuakeForge be able to run Mega2k?</H2> <P>I also had mention in the last SotC that the website updates
<P>How many poeple can ask that in two weeks' time? I lost count, itself whenever any of us checks in a change now. It's very nifty
but there were a lot of inquiries. Unfortunately, I have bad news and is helping us get the new site layout done faster. Something I
for you. MegaTF says they're quite loyal to QuakeLives, despite any didn't mention before is that we have somehow managed to convince
legal or other problems the engine team has had or may have in the twisted to work with us on spicing up the page a bit while keeping
future. Ambush says on his radio show that he hopes all of the it functional and efficient.
engines will support MegaTF though, so we didn't really expect any
problems.
<P>I've been trying for several weeks now to establish a regular <H2>QuakeForge and Mega2k, redux..</H2>
dialogue with Ambush, but people close to the project have told me <P>We all owe Yanster big for helping us get in contact with Ambush
that most likely my emails wouldn't be seen, much less answered. So of MegaTF tonight. He was in #QuakeForge for a few hours talking to
I mentioned something about trying to connect with him durring or the guys present at the time. Among them were Mercury, Deek, Endy,
after the 17 March 2000 MegaPhone show. Several other people from and devkev. I was there too, but I was and am half dead from sleep
the team as well as from other teams came as well to help show the deprivation so I can't say I'm totally coherent then or now.
players of MegaTF that indeed we are serious about supporting the
mod fully.
<P>Things remained civil until some of the QuakeLives guys came in, <P>The guys in the channel helped Ambush get MegaTF build with qccx,
and things started falling apart then. Attempts to calm the fires which was pretty cool I think since qccx is looking like one of the
weren't terribly successful until not long before the show's start. most interesting quakec compilers out there to us and will probably
Things remained sane throughout most of the show. Ambush asked for become our preference once qcc is released under the GPL.
another small feature to be added durring the show (the console
version string gets in the way and he'd like to get rid of it) and I
wrote and committed the feature he asked for on the spot.
<P>Fires started burning again shortly after the show ended. I'm <P>Mercury was talking with Ambush about support for Mega2k in
not unsurprised, but eventually I did manage to wind up talking with QuakeForge. I can't say where that's going yet because the
DyerMaker out of the view of the main channel so there was actually discussion hasn't reached conclusions yet. Still, the discussion I
a chance of talking. The results? I am now aware that MegaTF's thought was so improbable is happening. That's a good thing for the
loyalty to QuakeLives extends as far as deliberately shutting out entire community I think. I'm glad to be wrong this time.
any engine but QuakeLives from being able to run Mega2k. They've
decided that since Slade will not take part in creating an open and
secure standard for all engines, they can only support his. In
order to do that and do it well, they have to ensure that we can't
run Mega2k. Nothing personal against QuakeForge or anything, it's
just how the politics have played out.
<P>So from where I'm sitting, it looks like Ambush isn't interested <P>What I said before about making sure that every engine can
in other projects and engines supporting MegaTF. Or at least, he's support MegaTF, I meant every word of it. I will do everything
only interested in seeing QuakeLives-endorsed projects support humanly possible to ensure that the features needed become
MegaTF. Nothing personal and no offense intended toward us, but standardized and that all of these engines are intercompatible at
they seem to be intending whether they say so or not to be the protocol level. And securely too - what's it matter if all the
exclusively QuakeLives. rest of this happens if any person can just cheat their way to
highest scores?
<P>Well, nothing personal, but I have no intention of playing these <P>Right now what seems to be necessary is time. I still think
silly one-must-win-and-everyone-else-must-lose games. I'm quite people who care should make sure they're heard so MegaTF knows that
sick of them by now - but I'm surprised nobody else seems to be. Mega support in other engines is important to you. That goes double
We'll do the best we can to support Mega2k whether they want it or if you only have one engine for your platform to choose from.
not. Why? For one, some of us play it. For another, and more
importantly, many of <EM>YOU</EM> play it. I lost count somewhere
not far before 150 people who have asked in recent weeks if
QuakeForge intended to support Mega2k's new features because you
don't run win32 and aren't interested in starting. <I>Yes</I> we
will. It may not happen until after Mega2k's release if the needed
information to do so is going to be withheld from us, but you better
believe it will happen.
<P>Am I being a bit harsh here? Quite possibly. As I write this,
it is now merely 24 hours after what we can all agree was a rough
night for a lot of people. From my perspective, it looks like
MegaTF is refusing to allow Mega2k to run on anything but QL dispite
Ambush saying he wants all the engines to be able to run it and to
work together or interoperability standards.
<P>It seems that's what's going on here, but that doesn't mean it is
what's happening. Chances for misunderstandings have not been
infrequent and it's not unlikely that MegaTF would be absolutely
thrilled to see a project dedicated to compatibility and open
standards like QuakeForge working to make sure not only that we
support Mega2k, but that every project out there can. And even more
importantly, that the user doesn't have to worry about whether or
not project foo's client is going to work with project bar's server.
<P>If that's the case, then all of the above is essentially moot.
We'll do our best to make sure we support Mega2k right out of the
archive the moment it and that whatever it takes to make sure it
does work has already been made available for and incorporated into
every single project we can find, whether they're affiliated with us
or with QSG or MegaTF or the abominable snowman or not. Lack of
standards can only hurt the game. Since that's obviously a very bad
thing, hell yeah we'll do everything we can to keep it from
happening.
<P>So what are you, the players of MegaTF who don't want to be tied
to a single engine and a single operating system, supposed to do
about any of this? Make some noise! And I don't mean go around
accusing MegaTF and QuakeLives of trying to quash all the other
engines either---that's the wrong kind noise to be making. It also
is quite likely not true. The noise you should be making is for
Mega2k to run on your preferred engine. And I do realize for a lot
of you, the engine you prefer happens to be the only one that even
runs on your platform. If that's the case, make sure you're heard!
You can write to me until the cows come home but I'm not the one who
needs to hear from you!
<H2>The actual technical stuff</H2> <H2>The actual technical stuff</H2>
<P>If you're still here after all of that, I'm impressed. Release <P>If you're still here after all of that, I'm impressed. Release